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	<title>Comments on: Sales-fest or science?</title>
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		<title>By: Grant Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2009/10/14/sales-fest-or-science/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key word here is &#039;evidence&#039;, something I intend to write about later.

I dislike the use of labels such as &#039;alternative&#039; or &#039;natural&#039; as to me they miss the point and seem to be usually emotive marketing tools rather than as meaningful terms.

Many, if not most, evidence-based remedies are found in natural sources but they are usually manufactured rather than extracted for a range of reasons including purity, standardizing the dose, cost-effectiveness, to provide appropriate &quot;delivery&quot; of the active ingredient(s) to your body and so on.

Whether a product is manufactured or &quot;natural&quot; or &quot;alternative&quot; isn&#039;t really of the essence. Whether they have been &lt;i&gt;demonstrated&lt;/i&gt; to work as claimed (and to what extent) matters, as does assurance of the consistency of the product (standards for manufacturing, etc.) and how they are administered (qualifications and regulations). The system for medical treatment isn&#039;t there to beat down on &quot;alternatives&quot;, it&#039;s there to ensure what is done is meaningful.

I agree with your comment about about claims and labeling. I have been hoping to write about that, too, but I have a day job...!

When you wrote &lt;i&gt;&quot;In one particular instance we had one large NZ company threaten to take us to court, for as far as they were concerned they had contracted us to provide a positive claim for their product, not to assay it in the most clinically relavent assays available.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; I was reminded me of a phrase that has been echoing around those writing about the Simon Singh case (or words to the effect of what these people are writing): &quot;evidence, not lawyers, please&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key word here is &#8216;evidence&#8217;, something I intend to write about later.</p>
<p>I dislike the use of labels such as &#8216;alternative&#8217; or &#8216;natural&#8217; as to me they miss the point and seem to be usually emotive marketing tools rather than as meaningful terms.</p>
<p>Many, if not most, evidence-based remedies are found in natural sources but they are usually manufactured rather than extracted for a range of reasons including purity, standardizing the dose, cost-effectiveness, to provide appropriate &#8220;delivery&#8221; of the active ingredient(s) to your body and so on.</p>
<p>Whether a product is manufactured or &#8220;natural&#8221; or &#8220;alternative&#8221; isn&#8217;t really of the essence. Whether they have been <i>demonstrated</i> to work as claimed (and to what extent) matters, as does assurance of the consistency of the product (standards for manufacturing, etc.) and how they are administered (qualifications and regulations). The system for medical treatment isn&#8217;t there to beat down on &#8220;alternatives&#8221;, it&#8217;s there to ensure what is done is meaningful.</p>
<p>I agree with your comment about about claims and labeling. I have been hoping to write about that, too, but I have a day job&#8230;!</p>
<p>When you wrote <i>&#8220;In one particular instance we had one large NZ company threaten to take us to court, for as far as they were concerned they had contracted us to provide a positive claim for their product, not to assay it in the most clinically relavent assays available.&#8221;</i> I was reminded me of a phrase that has been echoing around those writing about the Simon Singh case (or words to the effect of what these people are writing): &#8220;evidence, not lawyers, please&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: usefulidiot</title>
		<link>http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2009/10/14/sales-fest-or-science/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>usefulidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IN a previous job, I worked for a company which specialized in assaying natural based products (so called nutricuetuicals) on a contract RnD basis. We had alot of great products come through our doors which were very effective in a range of diseases from arthritis to cancer to diabetes. Unfortunatly we had alot of duds come through the same doors, often things that were already being marketed, usually by large, well known companies. In one particular instance we had one large NZ company threaten to take us to court, for as far as they were concerned they had contracted us to provide a positive claim for their product, not to assay it in the most clinically relavent assays available. Needless to say I do not trust their products any more, even though they make some tasty teas. In my years there I came to know alot about natural medicines and the buisness around them. There are several key points I took away. There are a number of good, effective nuticeutical medicines out there, but you have to find a good brand that standardises their prepartions with respect to the most active compounds. On this note, I am in favour of better labelling on these products and stricter rules around what claims they can make. Also, like pharmaceuticals, not everything works for everyone and it maybe a case of finding the right medicine for you. Myself, I grow and prepare several things that I have found work for me,but in saying that I have no hesitaion in going off to the Dr or pharmacy if I need to. Lastly, I would just like to say that too often all natural products are lumped in with, in particular, homeopathy (which I dont think works) and other, more fringe treatments. Please, dont dismiss all alternatives because of the plethora of ineffective puesdo-science based treatments or over zealous (and in my opinion slightly evil)  money makers exploiting sick and poorly informed people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IN a previous job, I worked for a company which specialized in assaying natural based products (so called nutricuetuicals) on a contract RnD basis. We had alot of great products come through our doors which were very effective in a range of diseases from arthritis to cancer to diabetes. Unfortunatly we had alot of duds come through the same doors, often things that were already being marketed, usually by large, well known companies. In one particular instance we had one large NZ company threaten to take us to court, for as far as they were concerned they had contracted us to provide a positive claim for their product, not to assay it in the most clinically relavent assays available. Needless to say I do not trust their products any more, even though they make some tasty teas. In my years there I came to know alot about natural medicines and the buisness around them. There are several key points I took away. There are a number of good, effective nuticeutical medicines out there, but you have to find a good brand that standardises their prepartions with respect to the most active compounds. On this note, I am in favour of better labelling on these products and stricter rules around what claims they can make. Also, like pharmaceuticals, not everything works for everyone and it maybe a case of finding the right medicine for you. Myself, I grow and prepare several things that I have found work for me,but in saying that I have no hesitaion in going off to the Dr or pharmacy if I need to. Lastly, I would just like to say that too often all natural products are lumped in with, in particular, homeopathy (which I dont think works) and other, more fringe treatments. Please, dont dismiss all alternatives because of the plethora of ineffective puesdo-science based treatments or over zealous (and in my opinion slightly evil)  money makers exploiting sick and poorly informed people.</p>
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