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		<dc:creator>Homeopathy sceptics protest sale of homeopathic remedies &#124; Code for Life</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Deleting a gene can turn an ovary into a testis in adult mammals &#124; Code for Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deleting a gene can turn an ovary into a testis in adult mammals &#124; Code for Life</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Time for disclaimers on remedies, &#8220;alternative&#8221; or not &#124; Code for Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Time for disclaimers on remedies, &#8220;alternative&#8221; or not &#124; Code for Life</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>potpourri: homeopathy, journalism masterclasses &#38; open access &#124; Code for Life</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Steve Thoms&#8217; points against naturopathy &#124; Code for Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Thoms&#8217; points against naturopathy &#124; Code for Life</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Computational biology: Natural history v. explanatory models &#124; Code for Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Computational biology: Natural history v. explanatory models &#124; Code for Life</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Grant Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chiz,

I would have thought that DNA sequence chimerism in humans is mainly limited to blood cells, as is commonly thought. (Or assumed by those who don&#039;t work on it first-hand!) Incidentally, I mentioned this in my old post &quot;Monkey business or is my Uncle also my Dad&#039;: http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2009/10/13/monkey-business-or-is-my-uncle-also-my-dad/

Do you have a reference for your claim &quot;the evidence is now clear that mosaicism is common and possibly the norm&quot;. (It&#039;s hard to keep abreast of everything. From a very quick look in PubMed, I can see &quot;incidental&quot; papers on this, but not a &quot;key&quot; paper. I can vaguely recall something in &lt;i&gt;Nature&lt;/i&gt;, but that&#039;s not much use!)

I&#039;m not sure this is an issue in the way I think you&#039;re thinking though. Long story short, it seems to come down to simply using the same tissue in the diagnostic test as the test was developed on, or if using a test developed on one tissue and but used in diagnosis using another, bearing this in mind.

As long as the same tissue is used as the test was developed on, it&#039;s not an issue. The issue seems to me to be transferring test developed on one tissue to diagnostics based on another, not the mosaicism itself.

It will mean that some (rare) disorders that are dependent on mosaicism in specific tissues &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; only detected this way might be missed, but this should simply mean that there is in effect no test for this disorder, rather than &quot;confused&quot; tests.

Similarly, if the test are unable to detect some types of (somatic) variation then they&#039;d lack predictive power rather than be &quot;confused&quot;.

Which is to say, it could be a limitation in &lt;i&gt;developing&lt;/i&gt; tests, but I&#039;m not sure that it&#039;d affect tests once they&#039;re developed, provided the groups doing the diagnostic screens take care to note this when using the diagnostic on a test based on a different tissue that the initial screen was developed from.

I hope I&#039;m being clear enough.

There is the &quot;opposite&quot; problem of mosaicism the sampled tissue (associated unrelated disorders to that being tested) in &quot;throwing off&quot; the tests , which I&#039;d like to think amounts to &quot;just another&quot; source of noise in developing the test. (If it&#039;s that common that it&#039;s a nuisance it ought to show up, etc.)

Or are you thinking of something else again?! :-)

While I&#039;m writing, another thing I&#039;d watch out for is what&#039;s measured in the research reports: differences occurring at the RNA level may tie in with epigenetic heterogeneity rather than DNA sequence mosaicism.</description>
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<p>I would have thought that DNA sequence chimerism in humans is mainly limited to blood cells, as is commonly thought. (Or assumed by those who don&#8217;t work on it first-hand!) Incidentally, I mentioned this in my old post &#8220;Monkey business or is my Uncle also my Dad&#8217;: <a href="http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2009/10/13/monkey-business-or-is-my-uncle-also-my-dad/" rel="nofollow">http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2009/10/13/monkey-business-or-is-my-uncle-also-my-dad/</a></p>
<p>Do you have a reference for your claim &#8220;the evidence is now clear that mosaicism is common and possibly the norm&#8221;. (It&#8217;s hard to keep abreast of everything. From a very quick look in PubMed, I can see &#8220;incidental&#8221; papers on this, but not a &#8220;key&#8221; paper. I can vaguely recall something in <i>Nature</i>, but that&#8217;s not much use!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure this is an issue in the way I think you&#8217;re thinking though. Long story short, it seems to come down to simply using the same tissue in the diagnostic test as the test was developed on, or if using a test developed on one tissue and but used in diagnosis using another, bearing this in mind.</p>
<p>As long as the same tissue is used as the test was developed on, it&#8217;s not an issue. The issue seems to me to be transferring test developed on one tissue to diagnostics based on another, not the mosaicism itself.</p>
<p>It will mean that some (rare) disorders that are dependent on mosaicism in specific tissues <i>and</i> only detected this way might be missed, but this should simply mean that there is in effect no test for this disorder, rather than &#8220;confused&#8221; tests.</p>
<p>Similarly, if the test are unable to detect some types of (somatic) variation then they&#8217;d lack predictive power rather than be &#8220;confused&#8221;.</p>
<p>Which is to say, it could be a limitation in <i>developing</i> tests, but I&#8217;m not sure that it&#8217;d affect tests once they&#8217;re developed, provided the groups doing the diagnostic screens take care to note this when using the diagnostic on a test based on a different tissue that the initial screen was developed from.</p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m being clear enough.</p>
<p>There is the &#8220;opposite&#8221; problem of mosaicism the sampled tissue (associated unrelated disorders to that being tested) in &#8220;throwing off&#8221; the tests , which I&#8217;d like to think amounts to &#8220;just another&#8221; source of noise in developing the test. (If it&#8217;s that common that it&#8217;s a nuisance it ought to show up, etc.)</p>
<p>Or are you thinking of something else again?! :-)</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m writing, another thing I&#8217;d watch out for is what&#8217;s measured in the research reports: differences occurring at the RNA level may tie in with epigenetic heterogeneity rather than DNA sequence mosaicism.</p>
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		<title>By: Genetic tests and personalised medicine, some science communication issues &#124; Code for Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Genetic tests and personalised medicine, some science communication issues &#124; Code for Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: chiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>chiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main problem that I see with DTC testing is that it will be based on a DNA sample from only one part of the body.  We still don&#039;t know how common chimerism is but the evidence is now clear that mosaicism is common and possibly the norm.  For some disorders, especially copy number disorders, the relevant mutations may only be present in some parts of the body and not in the DNA sampled.  The only way to detect the mututaion would be a sample from the relvant tissue which is clearly not realistic for the brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main problem that I see with DTC testing is that it will be based on a DNA sample from only one part of the body.  We still don&#8217;t know how common chimerism is but the evidence is now clear that mosaicism is common and possibly the norm.  For some disorders, especially copy number disorders, the relevant mutations may only be present in some parts of the body and not in the DNA sampled.  The only way to detect the mututaion would be a sample from the relvant tissue which is clearly not realistic for the brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Aimee Whitcroft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aimee Whitcroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Pharyngula&#039;s response. I always do so enjoy the use of the word &#039;blathering&#039;...

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Pharyngula&#8217;s response. I always do so enjoy the use of the word &#8216;blathering&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/</a></p>
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