In the news lately is a coroner’s inquest into the death of Rhonda Renata’s daughter, Jasmine. Rhona Renata pins her daughter’s death on the HPV vaccine Gardasil despite suggestions to (also) investigate other causes such as heart disease.
While considering if I should write something on this well-known blogger ‘Orac’* has spoken out. In particular, he questions if two of the expert witnesses are fair or reasonable.
He notes that one (Dr. Lee) was sacked from his hospital:
“One wonders if the inquest board was aware that Dr. Lee was unceremoniously given the boot as director of the diagnostic laboratory at Milford Hospital in December 2010.”
and presents aspects of the past track record of another (Dr. Shaw).**
New Zealander Hilary Butler, founder of IAS***, also gets a mention.
Read Orac’s article out for yourself. One commenter, herr doktor bimler (4:06am), writes:
“The coroner is not completely uninformed. Right at the start of the inquest, he invited testimony from a high-ranking public-health adviser (about the checks that had been performed on this particular batch of Gardasil, and about the information available for informed choice) from a cardiologist; from the nurse.
I suspect that the coroner knows perfectly well about Dr Lee’s current situation of self-employment, but one aspect of his job is to let grieving families say whatever makes them feel better… and if this involves letting their experts’ claims about professional standing go unchallenged, so be it.”
Perhaps the issue, then, is not that the coroner be aware of these elements but that the general public be aware of them?
The New Zealand Science Media Centre offers commentary from vaccine experts on it’s website and links to the articles in the media covering this story.
In any event these things must come back to what conclusions can be soundly drawn from present-day science – something that I imagine challenges many coroner’s in cases like these. There’s a saying virologist Vincent Racaniello put as the title of an article: “trust science, not scientists”. What does science say, not the testimony of individuals? I’ve previously suggested the review literature as a proxy of sorts for this (bearing in mind that this isn’t a flawless approach). Science means more than the result of one study or investigation but what can be drawn from all of them, taken together.
Footnotes
A number of anti-vaccine groups have been pushing this case, notably SaneVax. So far I haven’t been able to locate a publicly-available ‘original’ copy of the testimonials that SaneVax has quoted. (It would be good to read an original in it’s full context and to see to what extent his material was questioned. I’m curious about some of the claims made but I can’t do much without the original transcripts, especially as anti-vaccine sources have been known to quote selectively.)
* Not his real name. Fans of Dr. Who Blake’s 7 may find the pseudonym familiar. So that readers might know, he’s an oncologist (a media specialising in cancer) and has a long track record investigating anti-vaccine claims among others.
** In another article criticising a review Dr. Shaw wrote proposing that a tentative link (in his mind) between aluminium (in vaccines) and autism be investigated, Orac relates how Dr. Shaw spoke at an anti-vaccine meeting in Jamaica.
*** I’ve had occasion to write about some of the inaccurate claims coming from this group – some are listed below.
Some related articles at Code for life:
Fact or fallacy, a survey of immunisation statements in the print media
Thoughts on, and for, those trying to choose to vaccinate or not
Rubella, not a benign disease if experienced during early pregnancy

Ron Law has taken to repeating a silly lie that I censor my blog, typically when he finds something he has written is under question or has been shown to be wrong. While it is silly, it’s also getting tedious to be repeatedly faced with it. As he is banned here, these accusations (lies) occur elsewhere. To spare having to repeat myself, I’ve created this comment to point to. It’s overly long, but at least I can now just post a link in reply!
Ron Law has been banned from my blog. Not censored, banned. Ron had plenty of warning.
For a short take of the policy used, read the comments section of my About page.
Most of you will want to stop here; the rest is a bit, um, tedious!
Ron Law knows the main reasons behind his being banned have to do how he treats others (including me). His calling “censoring” is not a misunderstanding on his part or a miscommunication on my part.
More on this in a moment but in practice I didn’t ban him, he really banned himself: I set a policy up such that those that persist whilst temporarily being suspended, or who persistently hassle me privately, would stand or fall by their own hand.
Two words: moderation and censorship. Moderation ≠ censorship.
Moderation is routine on blogs everywhere; without it comments sections would be truly awful and discourage any sensible discussion. See my ‘About’ page for details, but as you’d expect spam is removed, also first-time commenters have to be approved (this is another anti-spam measure).
Censorship would be blocking comments because the author disagreed with the content. I routinely accept content I disagree with it.
Ron Law banned himself, really. I set up a scheme, described in the comments section of my About page, where if a reader hassles me privately or tries to comment during being temporarily suspended for repeatedly crossing the line after I’ve asked them to lift their standards, etc., their actions lead to their temporary suspension being extended. These extensions are driven by things that are entirely in their hands and don’t involve judgement calls on my part.
Ron Law was given advance warning of this policy. He extended a temporary suspension out to many months, effectively banning himself. Not only was he given advance warning, it wasn’t the first time he’d effectively banned himself either. (The full story is too long to relate here, but he was given a second chance conditional to raising his standards and not writing to me privately.)
An element readers can’t readily see is that while Ron was also sending emails to me despite my asking him several times to not to. Without saying more, suffice to say that in my opinion—and it is only my opinion after all—his behaviour is closer to stalking and (public) harassment than trolling a subject matter.
This “saga” has stretched over several years. I feel have given him more chances that I consider anyone needs. Since being banned Ron has taken to slighting and accusing me from others’ blogs. I guess he’s a poor loser – ? Whatever. Ron has also tried to return to hassle me on my blog, through faking a new account – something beyond what “ordinary” correspondents would do (I recognised it was him immediately, after second comment), but accepted them for a while for a lark; I’ve since silently stopped taking these as he quickly returned to his personal attacks and odious behaviour). I have previously suggested that he seems somewhat obsessed with harassing me and that he would be better to move on.
Whatever the case is his continuing mud-slinging, accusation of censoring, etc., will naturally enough mean that he will stay banned.
Below is a small sample from the many times I’ve related (aspects of) this to Ron… Readers are welcome to judge for themselves but frankly I wouldn’t even waste your time on it – I’m only putting these here “for record”.
My About page.
This comment introduced the policy I set up to handle persistent trolls (Ron is the only person who has needed this attention):
http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2011/07/28/should-we-teach-examples-of-scientists-falling-for-unscientific-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-113063
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Examples of older correspondence on this matter, as you can see he had plenty of opportunity to raise his standards on his own initiative over a long period of time (note the dates, in reverse order of time; newest first):
http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2011/07/28/should-we-teach-examples-of-scientists-falling-for-unscientific-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-113040
http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2011/06/09/should-children-be-sent-home-from-school-if-they-are-not-vaccinated/comment-page-2/#comment-109750
http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2011/02/22/6-3-earthquake-in-christchurch/comment-page-3/#comment-109115
http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2010/08/23/vitamin-c-swine-flu-media-lawyers/comment-page-2/#comment-72663
http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2010/08/23/vitamin-c-swine-flu-media-lawyers/comment-page-1/#comment-71621
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Correspondence since introducing the temporary suspension + reader-directed extension of suspension policy:
http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2011/07/28/should-we-teach-examples-of-scientists-falling-for-unscientific-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-113040
http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2012/03/07/blogging-when-your-science-doesnt-easily-relate-to-the-public/comment-page-1/#comment-143736
http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2012/01/20/vitamin-c-as-cancer-treatment-sir-paul-callaghan-reviews-his-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-137012
http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2012/01/20/vitamin-c-as-cancer-treatment-sir-paul-callaghan-reviews-his-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-136612
http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2011/10/08/whooping-cough-and-media-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-116977
http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2011/07/28/should-we-teach-examples-of-scientists-falling-for-unscientific-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-114393