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	<title>Comments on: Climategate brought out the worst in us</title>
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		<title>By: The global warming conspiracy? &#171; Open Parachute</title>
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		<dc:creator>The global warming conspiracy? &#171; Open Parachute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A few bloggers have tried to mobilise on this issue (see for example  NIWA, Climategate and Evasive Fallacious Answers, The scientific community and self-criticism, Climate scientists caught lying, Climategate – How the scientific community is responding, WarmingGate, New Zealand not warming? and I confess I now believe in manmade Global Warming). And, as Peter Griffin pointed out recently, “The comment sections of some blogs have become particularly grubby places to congregate” (see Climategate brought out the worst in us). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A few bloggers have tried to mobilise on this issue (see for example  NIWA, Climategate and Evasive Fallacious Answers, The scientific community and self-criticism, Climate scientists caught lying, Climategate – How the scientific community is responding, WarmingGate, New Zealand not warming? and I confess I now believe in manmade Global Warming). And, as Peter Griffin pointed out recently, “The comment sections of some blogs have become particularly grubby places to congregate” (see Climategate brought out the worst in us). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climate change deniers live in glass buildings &#171; Open Parachute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Climate change deniers live in glass buildings &#171; Open Parachute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My concern about the attacks on reason, on science. While some people have been concerned about the implications of the &#8220;Climategate&#8221; emails others have resorted to extreme and emotional  attacks on integrity of scientists involved. Some are even attacking the very idea of science! Peter Griffin from the NZ Science Media Centre described it this way a few days ago: &#8220;The comment sections of some blogs have become particularly grubby places to congregate&#8221; (see Climategate brought out the worst in us). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My concern about the attacks on reason, on science. While some people have been concerned about the implications of the &#8220;Climategate&#8221; emails others have resorted to extreme and emotional  attacks on integrity of scientists involved. Some are even attacking the very idea of science! Peter Griffin from the NZ Science Media Centre described it this way a few days ago: &#8220;The comment sections of some blogs have become particularly grubby places to congregate&#8221; (see Climategate brought out the worst in us). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Renowden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth Renowden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but... Mike Hulme (I remember when he was Mick) conveniently glosses over the concerted campaign of attack against science that began with tobacco, and is culminating in efforts to derail action on climate change. Here&#039;s a good link: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1389&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeff Masters on manufacturing doubt&lt;/a&gt;. Going all post-modern on perceptions of science and its relation to the public does not -- cannot -- change the evidence. At some point, the disconnect between what science is telling us about the reality of climate change and the campaign to do nothing is going to lead to major cognitive dissonance for some. And that won&#039;t be Phil Jones, Mike Mann or Jim Salinger.

Tough times to be a climate scientist? Yes, but even tougher times for the planet...

But then you&#039;d expect me to say that  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but&#8230; Mike Hulme (I remember when he was Mick) conveniently glosses over the concerted campaign of attack against science that began with tobacco, and is culminating in efforts to derail action on climate change. Here&#8217;s a good link: <a href="http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1389" rel="nofollow">Jeff Masters on manufacturing doubt</a>. Going all post-modern on perceptions of science and its relation to the public does not &#8212; cannot &#8212; change the evidence. At some point, the disconnect between what science is telling us about the reality of climate change and the campaign to do nothing is going to lead to major cognitive dissonance for some. And that won&#8217;t be Phil Jones, Mike Mann or Jim Salinger.</p>
<p>Tough times to be a climate scientist? Yes, but even tougher times for the planet&#8230;</p>
<p>But then you&#8217;d expect me to say that  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel,

I&#039;d say. Reminds me of a short blog I ought to write, but haven&#039;t time. In the meantime I&#039;ve resorted to a shake coughing up a chameleon. Silly post, but at least it&#039;s well away from this fuss!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say. Reminds me of a short blog I ought to write, but haven&#8217;t time. In the meantime I&#8217;ve resorted to a shake coughing up a chameleon. Silly post, but at least it&#8217;s well away from this fuss!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watergate was not about water. Climategate is not about climate. What they share is partisan politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watergate was not about water. Climategate is not about climate. What they share is partisan politics.</p>
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